How to prove Socialist don't believe in Socialism

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If Socialists believed in the people, they would trust the people to opt-in to giving. Force proves they don't believe.
If Socialists believed in the people (and the power of the collective and Socialism), they would trust the people to opt-in to giving. That they want to do everything by force of Law, and Law Enforcement, proves they don't believe in Socialism, they believe in Authoritarianism for getting their Socialist agendas.
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~ Aristotle Sabouni
Created: 2019-03-02 

I have this discussion fairly often: there's something like a teachers strike, and my response is the tax system should be voluntary and allow the taxpayers to direct their money (in whole or in part) where they want. So the voters direct how much of their money goes to the general fund, education (the school budget) and so on. The same with roads, military, foreign aid and many other things should be based on taxpayer-directed funds. The school/districts job is only how to budget (direct) the money they get wisely -- and let the statistical averages decide the macro budget. (And agencies don't get to borrow, only spend what's directed to them)....

Think about the upside:

  1. It fixes the balanced budget problem (they only get to spend what they earn: except the military during a congress declared war)
  2. Politicians have to champion to the taxpayers the good they're doing to get people to contribute
  3. Wasteful stuff gets called out, and punished. [1]
  4. The budgets self correct for what people care about most
  5. No one has to feel like their money is going to things they morally/religiously disagree with.

You support government sponsored abortion, or you believe in border security, you can pay for it, and let others opt out. The statistical averages will keep things from swinging too wildly, and it allows more diversity of thought. I'm not against someone else spending their money on things I disagree with, I'm just against them making me support it.

The wiser the community spends the money, and the better the outcomes... and the better people will feel about contributing. And the more they will contribute (to those causes). It puts incentives for performance back into the system. And it doesn't have to be dollars, you can contribute in time to offset your taxes if you want.

It teaches the community to value contribution and education (over time). Individuals with more kids (or grandkids) will contribute more, those with fewer, will contribute less. Districts and communities that don't contribute or manage poorly, learn the consequences.

Society grows and becomes better because of the examples they create.

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The people that are most outraged at the idea are often the most left/socialists. Why?

I get answers like:

  • "You can't trust people to contribute voluntarily, you have to force them!"
  • "But everyone should have to contribute to the causes I like... it's the ones I don't like that are the problem!"
  • "if you let people have freedom of choice, many will opt out and do the wrong thing (not pay)... and be rewarded for it!"

And bam -- they just accidentally exposed their true beliefs.

What they just admitted (without realizing it), is that Socialism/Communism is not about the community working together to do anything, it's about the minority forcing the rest to do something they wouldn't do otherwise, because they fundamentally don't believe the community will do the right thing without force.

If they believed in individuals or the social norms, they would trust that a voluntary system would work. That they don't, proves that they don't believe in socialism, they only believe in tyranny! Socialism is about bullying others, not about democracy, choice or community. No backsies.


Of course the truth is that most just get mad, and refuse to learn the lesson that they were just offered. Face it, if they could grow, they wouldn't be socialists in the first place. But it's still a fun example that seems to work every time. And their tantrums and distraction when you catch them in it, just drives the point home.

🗒️ Note:
I don't necessarily advocate for 100% voluntary tax system. But I do advocate for moving the fed more to what is necessary than what would "be nice". And you could do this another way, figure out the tax basis we should all pay: say a nice 15% flat tax, for everyone, and then let people direct that, if not all of it, at least have half in a general fund, and all the rest self-directed. It would change the relationship with government, in a good way. Which is why Democrats and Socialists will oppose it.

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  1. NIH throws $500K at a study to explain why Chimpanzees throw feces, and their budget would go down Feces: and that was a real study, only it was $592,527 of our money they spent.
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