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The law is a rule and the point where one group of people thinks another should sacrifice their liberty, property or life, if they don't comply. "Do what I say, or else I'll rob, imprison or kill you!"... or more often, have some authority (government thug) do it for them. The red line.
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2nd Amendment was about the militia
A well-regulated Militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed ~ 2nd Amendment, Bill of Rights. Well regulated means, "in working order". Militia means "all able body males". And the National guard wasn't created until 1903 - so was not vaguely what the founders were referring to.
2nd Amendment was for muskets
A well-regulated Militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed ~ 2nd Amendment, Bill of Rights. Well regulated means, "in working order". Militia means "all able body males". And the National guard wasn't created until 1903 - so was not vaguely what the founders were referring to.
California Gunpocolypse
In 2016, California passed the far left's wet dream package of gun laws (Gunpocolypse), banning silly features, gun loaning, making your own, limit one gun purchase per month, eviedenceless accusations can take away someone's gun rights, and so on. No impact on crime, most are repealed/circumvented, but they harassed legal gun owners, which is the point.
Concealed carry
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They commit fewer crimes (than the general public), have better shooting records than the police, and have stopped many mass murders, school shootings shootings and saved countless lives.
Duncan v. Becerra
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California had enacted a standard magazine ban (what they call high capacity magazines) to punish their citizens for not living in a free state. Because ex-post facto laws (ones that make prior actions a crime) are generally unconstitutional, originally they grandfathered in old magazines. In 2018 they tried to take those away too, and got slapped down.
Gun Quotes : Militia Meaning
Words change meaning over time. But when trying to interpret law / original intent, you go with the anachronistic (original) meaning. At the founding of the country (and authoring of the Constitution), the militia was, "The whole body of civilians, that are NOT part of the regular army”. (Aka, all men, unless you were in the army or mentally unfit).
Gun control or gun ban?
Some claim, "nobody wants to take your guns, we just want a few 'reasonable' controls on them". But if we pretend that gun control works (by ignoring facts and history), and we assume guns are the problem, then there is no such thing as gun-control: you need gun bans. Why would you tolerate a little murder or mass murder, if you could get rid of it all?
Illinois SB0173
A good gun law? I'm pleasantly surprised. This law requires mandatory firearm knowledge before legislators can introduce firearm related legislation. What a novel idea!
Just Ban Assault Rifles
Anyone that says any variant of "Just ban assault rifles", "no one should own military grade weapons", or "it's not all guns, just these killing machines" shows they are completely ignorant about guns, assault rifles, or bans. (Not to mention the constitution). This article breaks down why you can't ban "Assault Rifles", and why it would be moronic to try.
Magazine Limits
Magazine limits have never been shown to have any impact on gun crime, crime, or casualties in mass shootings. Democrats demand low capacity magazines either knowing that (and not caring), or being ignorant of the topic they're trying to legislate. Persecuting someone knowing that your law can't help is kinda the definition of asshole.
Microstamping was a moronic attempt to outlaw guns, with no positive upside. California figures if you can't outlaw something, you can still put impossible regulations on it to illegally achieve the same ends: enter micro-stamping. It was blocked because it couldn't be done, and wouldn't work if it could. But the idiot-left still tried. Proving their unreasonableness.
No Fly Lists for gun owners
The left demands that we close the “insane” loophole that allows people on the No Fly List to buy guns. And goes so far as to call it “insane” that we allow it. The problem is that the error rate on that list is high, and there's never been a mass shooter on the list.
Peruta v. San Diego
California was one of only 10 "May-issue" Conceal and Carry permits states (as opposed to "Shall-Issue"). Which means they can choose to use the "good cause" as an excuse to set impossible standards that no one other than the politically connected or big police donors, to meet the standards. E.g. they violate the letter/intent of the 2A.
Reasonable Gun Laws
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There’s an oft repeated fallacy that “all we want it a few more ‘reasonable’ gun laws” but (insert either the NRA, evil republicans, gun-nuts), won’t be reasonable. So let's talk about "what's reasonable", and explain some of the complexities that the reasonable laws on the books already look like, to understand why some are so hesitant to ask for more.
Red Flag Laws
Red Flag laws sound reasonable (flag people that are threats, and take their guns away temporarily), but they aren't implemented that way. Everywhere it's been tried, it's been abused and gotten people killed. If you can't implement it in a way where it wouldn't be abused by other individuals or government, then how is it reasonable?
Rifle, Pistol or SBR
There’s a fallacy that “all we want is ‘reasonable’ gun laws”, then we look at the 20,000 gun laws and find few that work. An SBR (Short Barrelled Rifle) is considered more dangerous than a pistol or a rifle, and a felony to own, unless you pay $200 for a Tax Stamp, then it's safe again. Is that reasonable?
Progressives are full of good ideas on how to spend other people's good money on bad ideas. Liberals who watch too much CSI thought spending ≈$250,000/square mile (+$60-90K/sq mi in yearly reoccurring costs) could detect and send cops to scenes of shootings. They forced taxpayers to fund these boondoggles, that didn't work.
Smart guns are dumb
"Smart guns" (safe guns) were a solution to a virtually imaginary problem; having your gun taken away and used against you. It does this by making a gun more expensive, less reliable (and more likely to get the user killed), and there are better solutions to the mostly non-existent problems. Gun illiterates think it's great, but informed gun owners see no value.
Unreasonable outcomes
Reasonable gun laws would have protections against these unreasonable outcomes. There wouldn't be unreasonable prosecutions, people's lives ruined by over aggressive prosecutors. A single example disproves the ideas that gun laws (and gun controllers) are reasonable, or they would be outraged and demanding fixing/eliminating these unreasonable outcomes.



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