Some claim Mass shootings are never/rarely stopped by armed civilians, here's examples.
~ Aristotle Sabouni
Created: 2018-03-28 |
PolitiFact/DGU Disinformation[edit source]
PolitiFact slammed a weak-sauce study, using a far worse/weaker study to "prove" their point. And intentionally ignored other studies that showed DGU (Defensive Gun Uses) are in the millions per year, and have saved hundreds from mass shootings. |
Examples[edit | edit source]
This is not a comprehensive list, by any means. DGU's (Defensive Gun Uses) are estimated to be between 500K and 3.5M times a year (I use the a median 1.5M number as close enough), compared to 10K murders, that means a gun is about 150x more likely to be used for good than for murder. While Mass Murders are more rare, the same ideas apply -- there are more good guys than bad guys, and the faster a good guy can distract the bad guy, the more lives will be saved. Examples:
MassDGU • [39 items]
- 1995.08.23 Muskegon, MI - Four would-be killers with a "gnawing hunger for crack cocaine", shot store owner Clare Cooper in the back.
- 1997.10.01 Pearl High School shooting - 16-year-old Luke Woodham killed his mother at her home, then went to school and killed two students and injured seven others.
- 1998.04.24 Parker Middle School dance shooting - Guy leaves suicide note, and killed one person (wounded three) until confronted by owner of facility with shotgun and held for 11 minutes until Police arrived.
- 1999.07.07 Santa Clara Gunshop - Shooter (Richard Gable Stevens) goes into a gun store and range (the National Shooting Club, now Reed’s Indoor Range), declares that he was going to kill everyone, and was shot by armed civilian instead.
- 2002.01.16 Appalachian School of Law shooting - Three people were killed and three others were wounded when a former student (Peter Odighizuwa) opened fire in the school with a handgun.
- 2005.02.24 Tyler courthouse shooting - David Hernandez Arroyo, Sr. opened fire with an AK-47 rifle, killing his ex-wife, and wounding his son.
- 2007.02.12 Trolley Square shooting - Lone gunman (Sulejman Talović), killes five bystanders (wound's 5 others), but off-duty cop fires at him and slows the murder rate until the cops arrive.
- 2007.12.09 New Life Church - Mass Church shooter (Matthew John Murray) shot up Youth With A Mission training center in Arvada, Colorado, killing two and wounding two others before escaping.
- 2008.05.25 Winnemucca, NV - Man (Ernesto Villagomez) kills 2, wounds 1, and was shooting at others, when he was stopped/killed by CCW holder.
- 2009.05.04 College Park, GA - 2 armed men prepared to rape and kill 10 people, when one victim pulls a gun and prevents it.
- 2009.07.13 Golden Food Market - Gunman tries to shoot several patrons and was stopped by a CCW carrier. Despite cries by others in the store to kill him, the CCW holder just held him at gunpoint until the cops arrived.
- 2010.05.27 NY ATT Store - Disgruntled employee (Abraham Dickan) goes in to store intent on killing 6... off-duty cop (Donald Moore) takes him out.
- 2012.03.25 Boiling Springs church - Jesse Gates kicked in a church door with a shotgun. Aaron Guyton was a CCW holder and held Gates at gunpoint until the cops arrived.
- 2012.04.24 Destiny Christian Center - Kiarron Parker tries to do a mass church shooting, only gets one shot off before an off-duty cop shoots back.
- 2012.07.29 Peach House Gunfight - Early, Texeas, a deranged man murdered two neighbors (and their 2 dogs) and was exchanging fire at a police officer, when Vic Stacy took a 56 yard shot with his pistol that took out the perp, because the cop with an AR-15 at 15 yards was about to get shot.
- 2012.09.09 Plymouth shooting rampage - William Allabaugh killed one and wounded another stranger, when Mark Ktytor (CCW holder) shot and dropped Allabaugh, ending the rampage.
- 2012.12.16 Clackamas Mall - Jacob Tyler Roberts went on a shooting spree in an Oregon mall (killing 2, injuring 1), but CCW Nick Meli drew a weapon in site of Jacob, but did not fire (as there were people behind the shooter).
- 2014.06.25 Doctor shoots armed patient in Mercy Fitzgerald Hospital - Richard Plotts shot his caseworker (dead), and wounded Dr. Silverman, who pulled his own a gun (in a gun free zone) and shot Plotts 3 times (survived).
- 2014.07.24 Mercy Hospital, PA - Doctor shoots armed patient in Mercy Fitzgerald Hospital. Richard Plotts shot his caseworker (dead), and wounded Dr. Silverman, who pulled his own a gun (in a gun free zone) and shot Plotts 3 times (survived).
- 2015.03.22 Falah Barbershop shooting - 40 year old guy gets into altercation, pulls gun, opens fire. Passerby with CCW, runs in, and shoots the shooter dead, then runs away.
- 2015.04.20 Chicago Uber Driver - Everardo Custodio began shooting into a crowd in Logan Square, Chicago -- when an uber driver with a CCW pulled his gun and dropped Everardo.
- 2015.05.08 Los Altos Skate Park (Albuquerque) - 17 year old Jaquise Lewis killed one, injured 6, when a bystander shot him in self defense. It was a bit of a clusterfuck as many people were shot (and multiple people shot back).
- 2015.06.01 Conyers, Georgia (Bottle Shop) - Mass Shooter (Jeffrey Pitts) opens fire with assault style rifle, kills two, until open-carry bystander (Todd Scott) shoots back. Pitts flees, shoots his parents and gets killed by cops. Police called Scott a hero that saved lives.
- 2016.02.10 Hamilton, Alabama - Jimmy Cooper (mentally disturbed individual) shot two people, but was stopped by an anonymous armed civilian shot at and distract Cooper.
- 2016.03.10 B & L Landscape Company (Florida) - After worker (Ezequiel Soriano Lopez) shot his boss (Andrew William Little) of B & L landscape (Jacksonville, FL), a 3rd employee (Joseph Curry) drew his gun and stopped the rampage from going further, and prevented Lopez from leaving until the police arrived.
- 2016.06.26 CCW Stops Mass Shooting in South Carolina Nightclub - Jody Ray Thompson opened fire and shot 3 victims outside a South Carolina Playoffz nightclub, before a 4th patron shot back, and hit and stopped the shooting spree.
- 2017.05.04 Zona Caliente Shooting - James Jones walks into a bar (Zona Caliente Sports Bar) heavily armed, shoots one employee (Cesar Perez), and a customer with a CCW draws and ends Jones's shooting spree.
- 2017.09.24 Burnett Chapel (Tennessee) - Skimask wearing shooter (Emanuel Kidega Samson), bursts into a church and shoots 7 people (1 died), before the usher (Robert "Caleb" Engle) subdued him with his personal weapon.
- 2017.11.05 Sutherland, Texas Church Massacre - Devin P. Kelley shot 46 people in a Sutherland church, until Stephen Willeford shot him with his AR-15 and Kelly fled. Ultimately, crashing into a tree, and dying.
- 2017.11.25 Schlenker Automotive (Florida) - Robert Lorenzo Bailey walked into Autoshop and started shooting people (killing one, wounding another), when the manager (a CCW holder) shot back with his own pistol, hitting the shooter twice and stopping the rampage.
- 2019.08.09 Missouri Walmart - Dmitriy Andreychenko (20) illegally walked into a Missouri Walmart store open carrying an assault rifle and pistol, with 100 rounds of ammo, dressed in body armor and fatigues... and was detained at gunpoint by an armed civilian until the cops arrived.
- 2019.12.29 White Settlement Church Shooting - Jack Wilson quickly shot and killed the Texas church shooter a few seconds in, ending the confrontation.
- Brunswick, Ga (1915) - Monroe Phillips killed 5-7 and wounded 20-32 with a shotgun before a local man shot Monroe dead, ending the spree.
- FRC Shooting - 🇺🇲 Washington, DC: Floyd Lee Corkins was a gay activist who was triggered by the SPLC list of hate groups.
- Global Massacres/Christchurch Shooting - Left wing eco-nationalist shot-up mosques because immigrants were over-populating the planet and causing Global Warming.
- PolitiFact/DGU Disinformation - PolitiFact slammed a weak-sauce study, using a far worse/weaker study to "prove" their point.
- Shoney's in Anniston, Ala - Two men armed herded 20 people at a Shoney’s restaurant into the walk-in refrigerator. An armed patron freed the victims.
- U.S. Massacres/Gabby Giffords (Tucson) - Gabby Giffords shooting was stopped by Joseph Zamudio a CCW holder.
- U.S. Massacres/Robb Elementary - Off-duty Border Patrol agent went in on his own with a borrowed shotgun and stopped the Robb Elementary shooting.
Conclusion[edit | edit source]
In the end, the facts are that when seconds count the police (authorities) are 10-20 minutes away. Most cops are good people, but they can't be everywhere at once -- and there are more civilians than cops. A civilian CCW or Open-Carry person will sometimes be at the event, and will be able to stop/slow/distract the shooter sooner, and that will save more lives over just the cops. But we have no good way (that both sides will agree upon) to quantify exactly by how many lives. Of course if it is you, or your family that is saved, it doesn't really matter what the exact ratio is just that lives will be saved.
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🔗 Links
- http://gunwatch.blogspot.com/2015/05/mass-killings-stopped-by-armed-citizens.html
- http://gunwatch.blogspot.nl/2012/12/mass-killings-stopped-by-armed-citizens.html
- https://crimeresearch.org/2016/09/uber-driver-in-chicago-stops-mass-public-shooting/