The Basics

{{{1Liner}}} ℹ️ Info           ~ Aristotle Sabouni Created: 2022-05-01

The rate and effectiveness of fire (including reload times) is less about the gun or magazine than the training of the shooter.

1. If you give a good shooter a bolt action rifle with a fixed magazine, he can kill more people than a neophyte with a fully automatic machine gun.
2. With an experienced shooter the death rate will be more dependent on response times, and crowd reaction than gun type.
3. You can't charge and disarm someone during reload is moronic, it virtually never happens.
4. The premise is that a mass shooter won't break the law by buying/making an illegal high capacity magazine, use a backup gun (so they don't need to reload), and that while killing the first 11 people (10+1) is OK, that on the 12th round someone can cover a 20-30' gap and subdue the shooter in the <1 second it takes to reload is absurd, it takes more than that to figure out the shooter is reloading and react -- assuming they don't step behind cover to reload (like most do).
5. The most popular weapon is pistols, but mass murderers have used lever action, pump shotguns, fixed magazines, 23 used revolvers and one of the worst used a bolt action rifle.
6. If you could successfully take away their guns (impractical), all you would do is move them to more effective weapons that have killed more: Trucks, Bombs (Oklahoma City), fire , or box cutters (9/11). Even shotguns or lever action guns where you can add rounds while you're moving/firing.
   
   

This article shows how fast reloads are, and absurdly impractical magazine bans are at making a difference. Now some will whine, "but they're an experts"... while that's often true, many mass shooters train in advance or play games. And the difference between a pro and a good amateur is a second or fraction of a second: it doesn't really matter. There's a reason why no one has successfully rushed a mass shooter during a reload. Remember, you don't know when they're going to reload, thus by the time you've figured out they're reloading, they've already reloaded. So the problem is gun-users know more than the gun-controllers. And the informed are not resisting because they like their murder-toys, they resist because they know what won't be effective. If gun-controllers were more rational, they would ask the experts, and listen to the answers.

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Gun Bans Gun bans of one model/kind of gun can't work. And gun bans of all kinds has never worked.

Reload Times There's a fallacy amongst the ignorant that limiting magazines to 10 rounds will help against mass shooters. If only.

Removable Magazines Magazine limits can't help, mass shooters haven't been disarmed reloading, because reloading magazines is too quick.

Fixed Magazines There's virtually no difference in reloading removable or fixed magazines, outlawing the former is just an annoyance.

Revolvers There's almost no difference in reloading removable or rotary magazines, magazine limits only annoy the law abiding.

Pump Action Pump actions are fast, easy, and easy to make.

Lever Action Lever actions are as fast (rate of fire) as a semi-automatic, but more compact/reliable, with just a little skill.

Bolt Action Bolt Actions can dump 38 shots per minute, hitting a target at 300 yards. Explain how slowing shot placement is a net win.

Break Action You can reload a break action gun faster than someone can charge. Let alone if you had a spare gun.

Air Rifle While others had flintlocks, the Austrian Arm was using 22 shot .46 caliber repeater, you could hunt bear/elk with.

Tags: Gun Bans  Reload  Removable Magazines  Fixed Magazines  Revolvers  Pump Action  Lever Action  Bolt Action  Break Action  Air Rifle