Abu Ghraib
Abu Ghraib was one small group of U.S. Soldiers that something bad things, were caught and punished quickly.
~ Aristotle Sabouni
Created: 2005-08-04 |
The rational ask themselves, "How often does this happen? This compared to what?" The ideologically aligned media and the terrorists, want to avoid discussing that.
Understanding Scale[edit | edit source]
The European press (and American liberal press) makes it a huge deal and talked about it constantly. Once again, that demonstrates their ignorance and their bias. Saddam was killing tens of thousands in purges in many prisons (including Abu Ghraib) with frequent summary executions, including:
- 4,000 prisoners at Abu Ghraib prison in 1984
- 3,000 prisoners at the Mahjar prison from 1993-1998
- 2,500 prisoners were executed between 1997-1999 in a "prison cleansing campaign"
He had a campaign of real torture, not just humiliation. There’s a huge difference between putting Muslims in embarrassing situations and pulling off limbs, electrodes, and exterminating 10,000 of them which was the normal mode of operation in these prisons before we took over. The mass graves found were non-story in the European press compared to Abu Ghraib and getting to make us look bad. But does that reflect worse on us or them?
No excuses, but context[edit | edit source]
That doesn’t mean that we should ignore what happened, or that things didn’t go too far. The American and British stuff will not be tolerated by their people -- and it wasn’t! It was newsworthy because it would not be tolerated. But Abu-Graib is the exception, not the norm. While on the other side, the norm was torture and executions, not the exception. And which does our media focus on? The one that will inflame the ignorant to commit more acts of violence, and will help destabilize a region that we're trying to calm down. Good for them, undermining the interests of peace, while pretending to take the moral high ground.
Conclusion[edit | edit source]
In war, bad stuff happens. But at our worst, we weren’t a fraction as bad as things were daily under Saddam (and his sons). The fanatics that hate us offer no context, no counter-balance, they hardly make a peep when Saddam does 1,000 times as much (and worse), for much longer. They offer no balance that we acted quickly and caught and punished the perpetrators of this, they instead make up conspiracy stories about how this came from the top, and so on. (As if someone being framed wouldn’t blow the whistle or the military wouldn’t have paperwork to trace the problem — no one does anything without written orders). They don’t remind people the 500 ways the glorious insurgents break every rule of law and war (hiding out in Mosques, disguising as people, beheading people, torture, trying to maximize colatoral damage and so on) and in fact, they make excuses (America is bigger and more powerful so this is their only defense against the big bad Americans).
To a few, anything is justified to do to Americans, and anything we do is wrong because they disagree with us or hate us. If a few Americans or Brits do stupid things, or get too trigger happy, and are punished for it, it is proof of a conspiracy, and proof that we were wrong and they were right all along. The media would rather take the terrorists side, than the American one. Which might be great for readership amongst the least informed, but is going to cost them in trust and drive off the more informed and balanced readers over time.
👁️ See also
- Iraq War - Disagree with American policy or bumbling implementations of that policy. Be anti-war. Just be honest and consistent
- Iraq had nothing to do with 9-11 - The war on Islamic terror didn't start on 9/11 and wasn't about Osama Bin Laden, they were symptoms of something bigger.
- Preemptive War - Iraq was the first preemptive war except for all the others.
- Legality of Iraq war - No war is legal or illegal, there's only moral or immoral -- and all wars are immoral (some just more than others).
- Give it more time... - Some have said we should have waited for France or the U.N. to change their minds, or for sanctions to work...
- Violence never solved anything - Some say war/violence is wrong or that it never solves anything. It ended many wars and most mass murderers just fine.
- Bush lied - Bush didn't lie: the world's intelligence disagreed on specifics, but all agreed that Saddam was trying to get WMD's.
- Valerie Plame - Ex-CIA agent lies that she was outted by Bush Admin. Media perpetuates the lies for years.
- Quotes/Iraq War - Leftists want to pretend they had nothing to do with the Iraq War. History (and these quotes) begs to differ.
- Muslims can't do democracy - Muslims aren't capable of a successful democracy".
- Iraq/Set a date for withdrawal - Some claimed we should set a hard date and pull out of Iraq. That's stupid. Never telegraph your moves to the opposition.
- America made Saddam - During the mid 2000's it was popular among the dim of wit, and big of mouth, to claim that Saddam was created by America.
- Iraq is because of Israel-Palestine - Israel/Palestine is a convenient scapegoat for all problems in the middle east. But only rubes buy it as the root problem.
- Iraq is because of oil - All the time I hear people say that the U.S. invaded Iraq because of oil, money, or some other dumber reason. Oil is not a dumb reason.
- The U.S. targeted innocents - I’m flabbergasted that such stupidity is ever said, let alone how often I’ve heard it repeated.
- Iraq War Costs - Everything comes with costs, action or inaction. The price of war, the price of peace.
- Patriot Act - The 2002 version doens't bug me, what it might devolve into does. (Is it a slippery slope).
- Halliburton - NYT invented “evil conspiracy” to pay off a company for cheating us. The rubes believed it.
- Guantanamo - The left made a big deal about Guantanamo, where we had the right to treat people far worse than we did.
- Abu Ghraib - Abu Ghraib was one small group of U.S. Soldiers that something bad things, were caught and punished quickly.
- Security in Iraq - Militarily Iraq was one of the greatest successes in the history of mankind. Sociologically? We'll see.
- Americans are imperialists - People that say Americans are imperialists don’t understand America (or what imperialism means).
- Iraq's impact on Terrorism - Poverty doesn't cause terrorism; totalitarianism and a lack of control does.
- We should have done nothing - Of course we can’t know if doing nothing is ever the better choice or not. But we can look at some facts.
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