War

War, what is it good for? Democrats seem to like is as a tool for dividing us. (Imagined Imperialism). America is always wrong in War, unless Democrats started it and mismanaged it. If there's a way to twist or distort the History against America (imagined Imperialism), chances are there'll be a ton of anti-American (Soviet) and Democrat supporters. Russia called them "useful idiots", but I'm unconvinced of their usefulness. ℹ️ Info           ~ Aristotle Sabouni Created: 2019-07-01

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Democrats start most of our wars (either through action or inaction), then want to blame it on the other side. Bush Lied, Iraq was over Oil or was never a threat, Saddam was our guy, North Vietnamese just wanted peace, Israel started it, we didn't need to use the bomb Japan. The Democrats did (or supported) most of that, then want to play innocent and blame the other side, and convince the gullible that the other side. JFK got us closer to nuclear war than any other President, but the Republicans might get us nuked. Everything is about fear the militant right, while the truth is a strong military makes the other side more willing to negotiate in good faith.

One of the reasons the left is thought to be Anti-American has to do with selective hypocrisy on American Wars. They might cheer for the War at the start (especially if Democrat Presidents are for it).... but then they undermine American interests and support our enemies in the end. Virtually all negative (and incorrect) war tropes have leftists at the forefront of the cause with a megaphone, and often Soviets or other American-hating backers behind them. Years or decades later when you show their trope was false all along, they deny, make excuses, or attack anyone for defending the facts.

Almost every trope that makes America look bad about War, (Bush Lied, America did it for Oil, imperialism, etc) has leftists at the forefront of the cause with a megaphone, and often Soviets or other American-hating backers behind them. Years or decades later when you show their trope was false all along, they deny, make excuses, or attack anyone for defending the facts. But if you want to know why some people think the left is anti-American, this might be one of many causes. War • [26 items]

Abu Ghraib
Abu Ghraib was one small group of U.S. Soldiers who got out of hand and did something bad things (without authorization) and were caught and punished quickly. There was also a group of marines that did less, and the Brits that did about the same. Bad stuff. All caught and dealt with.

Alt-War
There's real history, and there's "politically correct" alternate history of War. If you believe any of the left narratives, without understanding the context, whole truth, what they're leaving out or just lying about, then you don't know real war. When I learned this in 5th Grade, my life was never the same. (Once you take the red pill, there's not antidote).

America made Saddam
During the mid 2000's it was popular among the dim of wit, and big of mouth, to claim that Saddam was created by America. That kind of rhetoric tends to come from the uninformed, the trolls, or both. Saddam was never "our boy" like some claim.

Americans are imperialists
People that say Americans are imperialists don’t understand America (or what imperialism means). We want to leave the world a better place, and not just take profits exploiting the suffering of others; like the Europeans. Which is why Americans have always gotten out of conflicts as quick as possible. And our failures, are usually in leaving too soon, rather than not at all.

Bush lied
Bush lied, people died ignores that the world's intelligence disagreed on individual reports, but unilaterally agreed that Saddam was trying to get WMD's, he had not properly disposed and reported on prior stockpiles, he was a state sponsor of terror, and that he violated the terms of the peace (cease fire) as well as multiple U.N. resolutions (like 1441).

Dropping the Bomb
The "defeated Japan” theory, and the idea that “the U.S. didn’t NEED to drop the bomb” is regularly regurgitated by leftists or anti-American alternative History believers. But the actual history of WWII says otherwise. This article sources a lot of the real history, instead of the fictitious one run by FakeNews outlets, and repeated by the left.

Give it more time...
Some say we should have waiting for France or the U.N. to come around, or that sanctions were working. We call these people misinformed. Sanctions have never worked at doing anything but hurting the innocent. France and the U.N. were criminally making money off the oil-for-weapons scandal so would have never put the Iraqi people over their own greed.

Guantanamo
The left makes a big deal about Guantanamo, and what the Americans are doing with “unofficial” prisoners of war, in the war on terror. But looking at what we’re doing in the context of the times requires objective adults that the left is ready for now, and might never be. Soldiers get treated as Soldiers and are covered by convention. Terrorists aren't.

Halliburton
The NYT invented this idea that Halliburton is an “evil conspiracy” that George W and Dick Cheney conspired to pay off a company for cheating us, while ignoring the corruption of their favorite Presidents; FDR, Bill Clinton, Johnson, JFK, Nixon and so on. This lead to investigation, exoneration, and yet the myth persists in the minds of their rubes (readers).

Iraq War
Disagree with American policy or bumbling implementations of that policy. Be anti-war or not. The U.S. may be wrong, you may legitimately disagree with a policy, but you have to be able to accept the facts of what we did, why we did it, and realistically accept uncomfortable truths or complexities that you might not like. Don't tolerate disinformation or slogans.

Iraq War Costs
Everything comes with costs, action or inaction. The price of war, the price of peace. I have no problems with people that look at all the cost benefits, and weight them differently than I do. I do have a problem with people that try to distort those costs and gains, to lie to others for political gain, or to sell an ideology.

Iraq had nothing to do with 9-11
The war on Islamic terror didn't start on 9/11 and wasn't about Osama Bin Laden, it was about the radical Islamic attitude that Western Modernization (and thus civilization) must be destroyed. It started decades before 9/11 with dozens of attacks on America (and Western world), it crossed borders, so Osama and 9/ 11 was only the latest symptom of the problem.

Iraq is because of Israel-Palestine
Israel/Palestine is a convenient scapegoat for all problems in the middle east. But only rubes buy it as the root problem in the middle East. Yes, Arabs/Muslims think it's a great injustice that they can't murder all the Jews and drive them into the sea. But if Israel didn't exist, there would be plenty of other conflicts in the middle east.

Iraq is because of oil
All the time I hear people say that the U.S. invaded Iraq because of oil, money, or some other dumber reason. Oil is not a dumb reason. But it's not why we invaded Iraq, even if it is one minor variable amongst many others.

Iraq's impact on Terrorism
Poverty doesn't cause terrorism; totalitarianism and a lack of control does. If you want to stop terrorism (or weaken it), you have to give people hope, and give them a say in their government; freedom. Iraq drew all those with terrorist tendencies out in the open; exposing the problem, not creating it. Once that passed, they have a shot at a better life.

Set a date for withdrawal
Some claimed we should set a hard date and pull out of Iraq. That's stupid. Never telegraph your moves to the opposition. Idiots think the way to peace is through appeasement. This is terminal narcissism. What they fail to understand is that to sociopaths weakness is provocative: they'd be foolish to NOT exploit every opportunity given.

Legality of Iraq war
No war is legal or illegal, there's only moral or immoral -- and all wars are immoral (some just more than others), the only real issue is whether the war is more immoral than doing nothing. Now as for legal justification, there was more justification for the Iraq War than most of the wars we got into.

Muslims can't do democracy
Muslims aren't capable of a successful democracy". People said the same thing about democracy in America or Europe before it succeeded there too. It's a truly patronizing view. (Separately, there's whether we will like their Democracy, but that's a separate issue).

Never trust France
I love the French people. Their culture is mixed with great things... and narcissistic, arrogant, racist things. But France as a country is an untrustworthy ally, self-interested, inept, flip-floppy, and unwise at best. They will turn their backs on morals and ethics the moment the winds of court intrigue or fads start blowing against you.

Patriot Act
The 2002 version doens't bug me, what it might devolve into does. (Is it a slippery slope). What the Patriot Act says is that the same intrusions we allowed for the “drug war” should be allowed for “the war on terror”. This isn't horrible, if there's good checks and balances. The problem is without them, it can go bad.

Preemptive War
Iraq was the first preemptive war except for all the others. All wars start with a series of escalations on both sides. All offer multiple opportunities to escalate or deescalate (back down). A fight doesn't happen because one guy throws the first punch, but because both sides chose to not walk away until eventually a fight is the only natural outcome.

Iraq War
Revisionist leftists want to pretend they had nothing to do with the Iraq War. History (and these quotes) begs to differ.

Security in Iraq
As far as many are concerned Iraq was a debacle. Militarily this was one of the greatest victories in the history of mankind. We took over an entire nation in a couple of weeks, with the least loss of life and collateral damage ever in this kind of campaign. Despite also having French/EU/Turkish allies, and distractions in Afghanistan.

The U.S. targeted innocents
I’m flabbergasted that such stupidity is ever said, no country in the history of the world (and wars) has ever spent as much time, effort, money, to avoid collateral damage and harming innocents as the United States. I think less of any troll that says it, because they're ignoring facts in front of their face.

Violence never solved anything
Some say war/violence is wrong or that it never solves anything. They don't seem to remember WWII, or the various mass murderers that violence ended. So we many resort to violence too readily, but if the other side won't stop their violence, sometimes your violence is the better choice.

We should have done nothing

Of course we can’t know if doing nothing is ever the better choice or not. But we can look at some facts. The first is about the ethics/morality. Life is about choices and direction; do you want to move towards a better world, or allow/support evil in the name of impotence or tolerance? Americans choose the former, Europeans have a tendency to choose the latter. So they look at everything we’ve touched as tainted, and look for everything wrong to place blame on us. We compare what was to what is (or the intelligent half of our population does).

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Politics Power relations between individuals or groups, such as the distribution of resources or status.

Terms We need to agree on what terms mean. This used to be easy, before SJW's/Marxists started Orwelling our language.

The Left Lies When the truth disagrees with your agenda, you can grow (change) or lie. The left usually chooses the latter.

Alt-History This is a list of the alternate history that the left uses to twist perception and thus twist reality.

Anti-American If your org/agendas works against America, American Values, the Constitution, or rule of law, then that's anti-American.

Issues These are issues that people fight over... current events or consistent divisions.

Party of fear The lefts two biggest tools are envy, fear, and finger pointing to distract; used to manipulate their constituents.

Alt-War There's the real history of war (what, why, how), and the progressive/left version. They only vaguely resemble each other.

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