Iraq's impact on Terrorism
Poverty doesn't cause terrorism; totalitarianism and a lack of control does.
~ Aristotle Sabouni
Created: 2017-05-19 |
The argument that “democracy can’t be forced on a country” is wrong; it has been successfully many times. Talk to the Japanese.
It won’t always work, but the status quo may be worse. And democracy is far from utopia, but far better than the alternative which is washing your hands of their problems, and exploiting them and helping to keep them down. So the issue is about the path you choose. Switzerland's approach to ethics is “since we can't stop it we should profit from it, and thus aid it in the process”. Would you say that is a moral view: if you helped a murderer or rapist for blood money, either by action or inaction. Yet when a country (or all of Europe) does the same to Iraq, many people defend the action. Interesting subjective ethics if you ask me.
Most Americans fundamentally understand this and choose change over sponsoring an evil status quo.
Of course if we'd held the European philosophy, we would not have gotten involved in WWII or any of the other places that the Europeans or rest of the world has wanted our help. So people that claim that Americans are more aggressive, or have started this attitude under Bush ignore the last century of history.
As for has this war helped or not? We’ll know in 5 or 10 years. But facts are facts. Short term they stopped attacking us in the U.S. The terrorsists have a better chance of hurting us on or near their home turf; so now instead of our civilians dieing at home, they are attacking our military abroad. The results have been a more secure U.S. That’s not a complete loss.
Thanks to Bush we have a better situation in Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, Iran and Iraq. We stand a better chance of fixing things long term in Korea and Iraq -- but it takes time rebuilding. While the poor Iraqi’s are bearing the brunt of the terrorism, the world is seeing what the terrorists are standing for and it isn’t freedom from op- pression or that they want opportunity; they’re fighting democracy and freedom and for tyranny, anarchy and poverty because those are things that feed terrorism. But now instead of Saddam and Iraq helping them and sponsoring them, we have the majority of the Iraqi people fighting them and helping us. That’s a win too. 14 of the 18 provinces in Iraq are mostly peaceful; it is only the press and the ignorant that fo- cus exclusively on the other 4. Look at how much better things are in the rest of the nation which rejects terrorism.
Instead of a band of terrorist sponsoring nations stretching from the Mediterranean sea to Afghanistan, we have Iran surrounded by freer countries, we have Syria’s sup- ply route from Iran cut off, we have a presence in the middle east, and we have ter- rorist sponsoring regimes scared and making noise because they are scared.
Iraqi’s don’t necessarily like us or being occupied or the price of war, but they do un- derstand the alternatives; and in 10 or 20 years, we’ll see whether it worked as well as WWII did. But Democracies tend not to attack other democracies; we’re hoping this truism applies in the middle east. We don’t know if we can win, or the Iraqi’s will win, but this is a far better chance of making a long term difference than the al- ternative. So we try. Most of the worst case scenarios are still better than what we/ they had. So I don’t see how any rational person can say this was a complete loss.
👁️ See also
- Iraq War - Disagree with American policy or bumbling implementations of that policy. Be anti-war. Just be honest and consistent
- Iraq had nothing to do with 9-11 - The war on Islamic terror didn't start on 9/11 and wasn't about Osama Bin Laden, they were symptoms of something bigger.
- Preemptive War - Iraq was the first preemptive war except for all the others.
- Legality of Iraq war - No war is legal or illegal, there's only moral or immoral -- and all wars are immoral (some just more than others).
- Give it more time... - Some have said we should have waited for France or the U.N. to change their minds, or for sanctions to work...
- Violence never solved anything - Some say war/violence is wrong or that it never solves anything. It ended many wars and most mass murderers just fine.
- Bush lied - Bush didn't lie: the world's intelligence disagreed on specifics, but all agreed that Saddam was trying to get WMD's.
- Valerie Plame - Ex-CIA agent lies that she was outted by Bush Admin. Media perpetuates the lies for years.
- Quotes/Iraq War - Leftists want to pretend they had nothing to do with the Iraq War. History (and these quotes) begs to differ.
- Muslims can't do democracy - Muslims aren't capable of a successful democracy".
- Iraq/Set a date for withdrawal - Some claimed we should set a hard date and pull out of Iraq. That's stupid. Never telegraph your moves to the opposition.
- America made Saddam - During the mid 2000's it was popular among the dim of wit, and big of mouth, to claim that Saddam was created by America.
- Iraq is because of Israel-Palestine - Israel/Palestine is a convenient scapegoat for all problems in the middle east. But only rubes buy it as the root problem.
- Iraq is because of oil - All the time I hear people say that the U.S. invaded Iraq because of oil, money, or some other dumber reason. Oil is not a dumb reason.
- The U.S. targeted innocents - I’m flabbergasted that such stupidity is ever said, let alone how often I’ve heard it repeated.
- Iraq War Costs - Everything comes with costs, action or inaction. The price of war, the price of peace.
- Patriot Act - The 2002 version doens't bug me, what it might devolve into does. (Is it a slippery slope).
- Halliburton - NYT invented “evil conspiracy” to pay off a company for cheating us. The rubes believed it.
- Guantanamo - The left made a big deal about Guantanamo, where we had the right to treat people far worse than we did.
- Abu Ghraib - Abu Ghraib was one small group of U.S. Soldiers that something bad things, were caught and punished quickly.
- Security in Iraq - Militarily Iraq was one of the greatest successes in the history of mankind. Sociologically? We'll see.
- Americans are imperialists - People that say Americans are imperialists don’t understand America (or what imperialism means).
- Iraq's impact on Terrorism - Poverty doesn't cause terrorism; totalitarianism and a lack of control does.
- We should have done nothing - Of course we can’t know if doing nothing is ever the better choice or not. But we can look at some facts.
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