Abortion

Abortion is a deeply personal view, but someone's views on it is a window into their soul.

The left can't win abortion discussions on the facts, ethics, or how viable a baby should be before we protect it, so they have to gaslight the issue and pretend it is about a Woman's rights to protect against rapists (extremely rare), incest (more rare), or health concerns (more rare still). All those are <5% of abortions, we're talking about the rest.

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~ Aristotle Sabouni
Created: 2019-09-20

Alt-History

Left	Right
Republicans would take away a woman's choice, late term abortions are mostly done for health of the mother/baby, Roe v Wade was good law and protects a Woman's right to choose. Repealing it would outlaw abortions and make Women into chattel.	Democrats and Republicans are both split on where life begins (and abortion should be allowed), most Americans are against 3rd trimester abortions, and 99% of 3rd trimester abortions are done for reasons other than health of the mother/fetus, and Roe v. Wade was Judicial overreach, and without it, most states would still support 1st Trimester abortion (37 States had already legalized it before Roe, and many more would since): so the fight isn't about choice, it's about how viable a baby should be before we protect it from extermination.

Abortion is a deeply personal view, and I used to explore people by asking or sharing my views on it and seeing how they respond. Do they get the nuance, or are they black and white thinkers? Can they leave room for diversity of thought, or are they totalitarians? When they're wrong, do they get reflective, or do they attack? It's a great shortcut to see what you're dealing with.

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Toastmasters

Abortion
A toastmaster speech I gave in 2009 on Abortion.

I did a toastmasters speech (2008) on my views on Abortion.The video goes over most of the Abortion slides. But the slides/articles often have more details and support. The goal is not to attack other people's views, but to share information for those who want to understand the issue deeper.

Life or Choice breakdown
Both sides will tell you that ≈80% of people support their position, and both are telling the truth.... just not the whole truth. The polls ask if someone wants abortion legal, illegal, or mostly legal/illegal. Then both sides borrow from the "mostly legeal" or "mostly illegal" results to pretend that the majority agree with them. And they do, that's just not the whole truth. The whole truth is that most Americans want Abortion legal in the first dozen weeks of pregnancy, but they don't want late term abortions, or it to be used causally.

By Party
General support/opposition for abortion is nearly the same across parties. The differences in voters (by party) are note nearly as great as some think, but the leaderships often campaigns on the extremes. So the fallacy that most Democrats support, and most Republicans oppose abortion. The truth is both have some nuances.

By Term
The vast majority of Americans want more restrictions. Democrat and their media have duped people into thinking the choice is all or nothing. The truth is banning 3rd trimester abortions (and those images) reduces pressure and funding for anti-abortion groups. Abortion is less a fight in Europe, because most of Europe has far more limits than the U.S.

Number per Year
The scale of abortion is sickening: ≈800K per year, or twice as many American deaths as WWII. Late term abortions (defined as >20 weeks) runs about 12K per year, or roughly twice as many American deaths as Afghanistan and Iraq wars combined. 25% of all Women will have one: 44% of them will have two, and half of those will be on a third or greater. These don't count over-the-counter abortifacients, like the "Day After" pill. Too many women are using abortion as birth control.

By Ethnicity
Margaret Sanger founded planned parenthood on the idea of exterminating inferior brown babies, so they'd stop outbreeding white ones. And when you look at abortion statistics by race, the numbers show her eugenics plan in actions, with 87% of babies being black or latino. And remember that's under half the population having nearly 90% of the abortions. I find it ironic that the left pretends to be the ally of the minorities that it is helping to selectively exterminate.

Why?
Abortion advocates will try to convince you that we need abortions for Health of Mother (2.8%), Health of Fetus (3.3%), or rape/incest (>1%), or about <6% of abortions total. That means about 19 out of 20 abortions are just done for convenience: we could keep it legal in those cases and eliminate 94% of abortions. The whole "medical necessity" or "rape/incest" canards are a frauds repeated by activists or the uninformed.

Why late term?
Late term abortions are even worse. Some will claim "fetal problems" or "health of the mother", but both are barely a blip (≈1%). The other 99% are just variations of "didn't know" until you were in the 7th month, or was afraid and so on. If she's let the baby grow to where it has a beating heart, brain waves, and is viable (or on the cusp), then you're not forcing a mother to have a baby at that point -- she's going to have to birth it either way. The only question is whether you'll kill it first.

Abortion Limits
The far left will misrepresent any reasonable restriction as trying to "take away a woman's right to choose" or "war on reproductive rights", the truth is most people (including Republicans) support abortion in the first trimester (especially in cases of rape/health of mother). The real question is where are the reasonable places to limit abortions. The dems attack because they don't want to have to defend their fanatical position on the following: Spousal notification, Parental notification of minors, Informed consent, State/Community rights, Financing, Any limits. The left supports abortions of 40+ week full term babies (and beyond).

Abortions in US v. EU

PragerU
Who is more pro-choice: the U.S. or the EU?

The EU is far more restrictive on Abortions than the U.S. So the progressives that claim the U.S. should be more like Europe, are usually ignorant or sometimes dishonest.

Roe v. Wade
Abortion is a deeply personal view, and I have no problem with how people come down on it, as long they're honest. Roe fits my personal beliefs (1st Trimester legal, 3rd illegal), but it was on Unconstitutional ruling that invented law from the bench by imagining powers (penumbras) in the 14th Amendment that the authors/ratifiers disagreed with, it violated the 10th and 11th, it dividing us and stopped the progress that was happening at the state level.

Life Begins at...
Science says life begins at conception. Once two halves of the DNA join, you've got new DNA in a new living cell: that's life. Once that cell splits? It's a growing life. Period. Most humans start putting more value on that life with a heartbeat, brainwaves or viability (6-12 weeks). Most of the rest, put it at quickening (when Mom's can see/feel the activity). So abortion is a complex moral issue, but the scientific part isn't that fuzzy.

Margaret Sanger

🗒️ Note:
The original name of Planned Parenthood (or it's predecessor) was, "The Negro Project"... a program that was designed to do two things: (1) To help with poverty by reducing the number of mouths to feed (2) To get those inferior brown people to stop out-breeding the superior white race (have fewer little inferiors)

Her mother died partly due to stresses on the body by bearing too many children, and so she had a bit of a crusade against that, and that each child had to be worthy of the risks involved -- and that birth control was better than Abortion, but abortion was better than birth (as viewed pragmatic risks to the woman's body).

To her, it was a bit of a moralist position -- better to kill brown babies and mental/physical defectives sooner rather than later: e.g. before they grew up to be thugs and burdens on society (as well as mothers bodies), and to have to clean up the messes they were or caused. She thought of this as a moralist position, as did many of her contemporary racist/eugenicist progressives at the time (and since). Though many have gotten a lot more cautious about publicly admitting it.

That being said, there are many misquotes associated to her that are exaggerated her views, so one needs to tread carefully, if we want to stay on the right side of truth.

While many of those misquotes were edited/summarized versions of what she felt, and completely fit her beliefs, if they are not accurate, we should abort them from attribution. Even if she never denied them, and her friends and contemporaries felt that they were believable substitutes/summaries for things she did say. Implying she believed something might be a valid opinion, but saying she said it, when she didn't, is not.

So there are quotes like, "More children from the fit, less from the unfit -- that is the chief issue in birth control", which both completely summarize her views accurately, and she never had a problem with the attribution or protested it (and it was done in 1919, so she was well aware of it), it's still something a writer said she said, and she did not originally say it (even if she thought it). But then, she used a ghost writer her entire life, so there's probably lots of things attributed to her, that she wasn't articulate enough to have come up with herself.

Quotes[edit | edit source]

"Birth control must lead ultimately to a cleaner race."
"The main objects of the Population Congress would be [...] (f) to give certain dysgenic groups in our population their choice of segregation or sterilization."
"A farmer would rather produce a thousand thoroughbreds than a million runts. How are we to breed a race of human thoroughbreds unless we follow the same plan? We must make this country into a garden of children instead of a disorderly back lot overrun with human weeds."
"(Birth control) Its general, though prudent, practice must lead to a higher individuality and ultimately to a cleaner race."
"Eugenics is … the most adequate and thorough avenue to the solution of racial, political and social problems."
"The campaign for birth control is not merely of eugenic value, but is practically identical with the final aims of eugenics."
"I accepted one branch of this philosophy, but eugenics without birth control seemed to me a house built upon sands. It could not stand against the furious winds of economic pressure which had buffeted into partial or total helplessness a tremendous proportion of the human race. The eugenists wanted to shift the birth control emphasis from less children for the poor to more children for the rich. We went back of that and sought first to stop the multiplication of the unfit. This appeared the most important and greatest step towards race betterment."

Plan for peace[edit | edit source]

In her plan for peace, it lays out the rules she'd have enforced, and would have lead to the extinction of the species, if enforced:

Article 1. The purpose of the American Baby Code shall be to provide for a better distribution of babies… and to protect society against the propagation and increase of the unfit.
Article 4. No woman shall have the legal right to bear a child, and no man shall have the right to become a father, without a permit…
Article 6. No permit for parenthood shall be valid for more than one birth.

Conclusion[edit | edit source]

So I don't care if you like her or hate her. But she was a ruthless eugenicist, that felt humans should be bred like cattle, or culled like weeds. And certainly that the poorer your family, or if you came from lessor races, then the more these rules should be applied, for the good of humanity. She thought that was humanitarian.

There's no doubt that she was an extremist by today's standards, and more so by her own. And if you're celebrating her, her life, and her views, than you might be buying into more than you bargained for. Rational people can both support birth control, Women's clinics, and still be appalled at the extremism of her views and what she (and her supporters) represent.

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With those stats/facts in mind, remember which side is the extremists in the abortion discussion: Abortion • [8 items]

1994.02.03 Mother Teresa v Hillary Clinton
Hillary, "Why do you think we haven't had a Woman President yet?" Mother Teresa, "Because she was aborted".

2019.01.22 NY Reproductive Health Act
I'm pro-choice, but you should be offended by the dishonestly named NY "Reproductive Health Act".

2019.09.25 Hiding the Abortionist
2,246 aborted babies were founded neatly labeled and preserved (as trophies), and the media all but suppressed (ignored) it.

Abortion
When it comes to Abortion, Joe Biden divided the nation and lied about a poor 10-Year-Old rape victim, and more.

Gosnell: The Trial of America's Biggest Serial Killer (2018)
The entire lefist establishment tried to crush this film because of the inconvenient truths.

Mother Teresa quote twitter blocked as a hate speech
Mother Teresa quote blocked by Twitter as hate speech for saying "Abortion is profoundly anti-women...".

Margaret Sanger
Caustic racist, classist and eugenicist that founded planned parenthood because there were too many brown babies.

Unplanned (2019)
Unplanned was attacked by the left for telling a true story, well. You must see this to be informed.

Conclusion[edit | edit source]

Anyone that calls me an extremist or pro-lifer is a liar, polemic or moron. My position align with most Americans in that I'm pro-choice in the first trimester, and I'm pro-life at viability (with a little padding). I'm more pro-choice than my wife and many Americans in that I'm fine with abortions up to about 20 weeks. While the extremes are at conception and birth, most people start considering a baby a human being with something else like 3 weeks (when the heart starts beating), 6 weeks (brain activity), 8 weeks (quickening and the baby starts moving around), 10 weeks (when the baby can do coordinated moves like hiccup, stretch, yawn, suck, swallow, grasp, and thumb-suck), or 12-14 weeks (when they start having memory and not startling at repeated noises).

Where a lot of people get confused is they assume because you are against a bad ruling (Roe v. Wade) they think that means you're against the cause. I like the Roe v. Wade framework, even though the Supreme Court had no authority to make it. It was a later/worse decision (Planned Parenthood v. Casey) that undermined Roe and allowed so much doctors discretion and terminations up to 24 weeks, and it's so poorly enforced, that virtually thousands of viable babies were born live and crying, and killed because of doctors discretion. Some like Kermit Gosnell were sent to prison for extending the rules beyond those limits, but only after 30 years of cover-ups. So I can be both pro-choice, and against judicial activism and the genocide of viable full-term babies, and think Roe was a bad ruling, and Casey was worse. It's called having a personal position and not being willing to give up your integrity to "win" or support it. If the Democrats tried that more often, I'd still vote with them.

👁️ See also

Abortion - Abortion is a deeply personal view, but someone's views on it is a window into their soul.
Abortion/Toastmasters - I did a toastmasters speech (2008) on my views on Abortion.
Abortion/Life or Choice breakdown - The majority of Americans are both for and against abortion. Most want it more restricted, but legal (in some cases).
Abortion/By Party - General support/opposition for abortion is nearly the same across parties.
Abortion/By Term - The vast majority of Americans want more restrictions.
Abortion/Number per Year - ≈800K abortions per year, or twice as many American deaths as WWII.
Abortion/By Ethnicity - Margaret Sanger founded planned parenthood on the idea of exterminating inferior brown babies, so they'd stop outbreeding white ones.
Abortion/Why? - Abortion for Health of Mother (2.8%), Health of Fetus (3.3%), or rape/incest (>1%), total = <6%.
Abortion/Why late term? - The vast majority of late term abortions are not about "Fetal Problems", or "health of the mother". It's irresponsibility.
Abortion Limits - The far left lies, and pretends any reasonable restriction is a "war on reproductive rights".
Roe v. Wade - Roe v. Wade fits my personal beliefs (1st Trimester legal, 3rd illegal), but it was a lousy and Unconstitutional ruling.
Roe is Judicial Activism - "Blackmun’s papers vindicate every indictment of Roe: invention, overreach, arbitrariness, textual indifference"
Roe v. 10th and 11th Amendments - The dissenting opinion pointed out that the 10th and 11th both disagreed with Blackmun's interpretation of the 14th.
Roe v. 14th Amendment - Blackmun used 14th Amendment as an excuse for enacting Roe. But the authors, ratifiers, others never noticed it before.
Roe v. Legal Review - No Legal Review has ever come up with a substantive defense of Roe. Which is why the distract with whataboutism.
Planned Parenthood - Planned Parenthood is an abortion mill wrapped in the facade of being about Women's healthcare.

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Planned Parenthood
Planned Parenthood is an abortion mill wrapped in the facade of being about Women's healthcare.

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